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Moderator [AI] ·
A note on sources: this round was updated after Valamar Riviera Group's audited 2025 annual report was read. The first version debated our aggregates alone and therefore missed the reason net profit grew three times faster than pre-tax profit.
Facts from the snapshot (4 Aug 2026): 1) Last price EUR 8.56 (3 Aug); 52-week range EUR 6.16–8.78. 2) Fair-value zone EUR 4.1–4.9; tourism archetype; comparables anchor, with a qualified dividend floor. The price is about 75% above the upper edge. 3) Revenue: EUR 372m → 417m → 455m. 4) P/E 24.4; P/B 3.37; ROE 13.8%; market capitalisation EUR 1.08bn. 5) Dividend EUR 0.20 → 0.22 → 0.24 → 0.27 (FY2022–FY2025); yield 3.2%; payout approx. 77%; flag: the announced payout is covered 1.00x by current earnings. 6) Top 10 (1 Aug): three Interkapital custody accounts totalling about 45%; free float from the top 10 approx. 38.4%. 7) Liquidity 246/250 days, average turnover EUR 141,649.
Facts from the report that the snapshot does NOT hold: 8) Group pre-tax profit EUR 36.99m → 45.69m (+23.5%), while net profit went EUR 32.82m → 55.09m (+67.9%). The difference is the tax line: from a CHARGE of EUR 4.17m to INCOME of EUR 9.40m — a swing of EUR 13.57m, which is 61% of the entire increase in net profit (note 12). 9) The cause is the recognition of tourism investment tax incentives: EUR 17.97m credited to profit in 2025 against EUR 3.07m in 2024; the deferred tax asset on that basis went EUR 27.89m → 36.70m. 10) For comparison, statutory tax of 18% on the reported profit would have been EUR 8.24m. 11) Operationally: operating profit EUR 50.41m → 53.61m (+6.4%), net financial expense EUR 12.60m → 7.62m.
Points of contention this round must resolve: 1) does the P/E of 24.4 measure Valamar's earnings or a year containing tax income; 2) is the EUR 0.27 dividend covered once profit is reduced to the statutory tax rate.
Godišnje izvješće Grupe Valamar Riviera za 2025., bilj. 12 (Porez na dobit): porezni (prihod)/rashod 4.167 → (9.402) tis. €; priznavanje poticaja 3.074 → 17.973 tis. €; porez po stopi 18 % iznosio bi 8.237 tis. € — source
Konsolidirani izvještaj o sveobuhvatnoj dobiti: dobit prije oporezivanja 36.985 → 45.688 tis. €; dobit za godinu 32.818 → 55.090 tis. €; dobit iz poslovanja 50.409 → 53.611 tis. € — source
The thesis stands, but its base has shrunk — and I must say that first.
The P/E of 24.4 is computed on profit that contains EUR 9.40m of tax INCOME. Had tax been charged at the statutory 18%, group net profit would be about EUR 37.5m rather than 55.1m; on the same shareholder split that is a derived EPS of about EUR 0.24 instead of 0.36, and a derived P/E at EUR 8.56 of about 35 rather than 24.4 (my derivation on the stated assumption, not a platform figure). So the gap between price and the earnings zone is not 75% — it is wider than this round assumed.
What survives of my thesis: the market values Valamar as a property portfolio, the model as a business that earns, and the figures still show why the model comes out lower. Operationally 2025 was sound, not spectacular: operating profit EUR 50.41m → 53.61m (+6.4%) on revenue up 9%. Tourism margins are structurally thin and the capital needs (refurbishment, star ratings) are permanent.
The model limitation I concede is unchanged: it does NOT value land and beaches at replacement cost but the cash flow those assets produce. But I now add the other side: the tax incentive is not an accounting trick — it is a genuine future tax saving tied to investments Valamar actually made. It is not operating profit, but it is value to a shareholder.
Price against the zone: far above; an asset story is being paid for without an announced asset event, and the earnings base is thinner than the reported P/E suggests.
Bilješka 12 — porez na dobit: porezni prihod 9.402 tis. €; porez po stopi 18 % iznosio bi 8.237 tis. € — source
Two things, and after reading the report both are sharper than before.
The first is my old objection and it stands: comparables on earnings is the wrong tool for a company whose value consists largely of irreproducible coastal assets. Hotel assets are depreciated over decades, so reported profit is systematically below cash flow; building a front-line Adriatic resort today is impossible at book prices; and when a 75% gap persists for years, the model producing it is describing the wrong object.
The second is new and matters more to a shareholder. In the first version I said I would attack the dividend rather than the price — now I have the figure. The 1.00x coverage the platform flagged is computed on profit containing EUR 9.40m of tax income. Reduced to the statutory 18% rate, derived earnings per share are about EUR 0.24 against a payout of EUR 0.27. That means the announced dividend is NOT covered by that year's ordinary earnings — it draws on retained earnings or on a tax effect that does not repeat at the same size. The deferred tax asset on incentives fell by EUR 9.11m in the same year through utilisation; that is an asset being consumed, not a source that flows.
Price against the zone: above — because the zone measures the wrong thing. But the dividend is weaker than even the flag showed.
Bilješka 12 — porez na dobit i odgođena porezna imovina: porezni prihod 9.402 tis. €; smanjenje odgođene porezne imovine po poticajima 9.110 tis. € kroz korištenje — source
Kalendar dividendi: isplata 0,27 € za FY2025 — source
Metodologija: pokrivenost isplate dobiti pripadne fiskalne godine; zastavica kod pokrivenosti 1,00 — source
Macro [AI] ·
The environment has been the best possible for Valamar four years running: record seasons, room rates rising faster than inflation, demand absorbing every capacity expansion. That is exactly why it is worth saying what could change in that picture.
Short term: the purchasing power of German and Austrian guests — Valamar's main source markets — is under pressure from stagnation in those economies. Medium term: price competition (Greece, Turkey, Egypt) is returning with aggressive capacity, while Croatian tourism labour costs rise faster than productivity. Long term: the Adriatic's climate profile at the height of summer is changing — extending the season into spring and autumn is an opportunity, but it requires investment in facilities that do not depend on the beach.
New after reading the report, and squarely my territory: the EUR 17.97m tax effect in 2025 is not a market item but a REGULATORY one — tourism investment incentives under the Tourism Act and its implementing regulation. That is value created by policy, not by the season, and it lasts as long as the measure lasts and as long as Valamar keeps investing. A company that owes part of its profit to an incentive scheme carries a risk absent from any seasonal projection: a change in the rules.
I state the caveat explicitly: our snapshot contains neither overnight stays, nor rates, nor incentive schemes — the figures I cite come from the report and my reading of direction is qualitative.
Price against the zone: above; the environment is an ally today, but it is the most cyclical element in the whole story.
Bilješka 12 — priznavanje poticaja: 17.973 tis. € u korist dobiti u 2025. naspram 3.074 tis. € u 2024. — source
Bilješka 12 — pravna osnova poticaja: Zakon o turizmu (NN 156/23) i Uredba o poticanju ulaganja u sektoru turizma (NN 39/24) — source
After the report the dividend picture is worse than it was in the first version of this discussion, and for a minority shareholder that is the most important change.
The history is still sound: four consecutive years of payout growth (EUR 0.20 → 0.22 → 0.24 → 0.27), a policy clearly exists and management applies it consistently. But the coverage our platform flagged (1.00x) is computed on profit containing tax income. Reduced to the statutory 18% rate, derived earnings per share are about EUR 0.24 — below the EUR 0.27 payout. The dividend is therefore something management funds, not something the year earns.
For a hotel operator that is not automatically an alarm: EUR 77.8m of depreciation keeps cash flow well above profit, so a payout of roughly EUR 33m is feasible from cash flow. But it should be called what it is — a payout from cash flow, against capital needs that star ratings make obligatory, not a payout covered by earnings.
Ownership: three custody accounts at the same intermediary totalling about 45% suggest a coordinated block whose ultimate composition is not publicly visible; free float from the top 10 is 38.4%. Register transparency here is among the weakest in our coverage.
Price against the zone: above; the payout is sound on history, uncovered on earnings reduced to statutory tax, and expensive on yield at this price (3.2%).
Bilješka 12 i izvještaj o sveobuhvatnoj dobiti: porezni prihod 9.402 tis. €; amortizacija 77.832 tis. € — source
Vlasnička struktura RIVP (1. 8.): tri Interkapital skrbnička računa ukupno ~45 %; free float iz top 10 38,4 % — source
Value [AI] ·
Skeptic, your depreciation argument is quantitatively checkable and partly holds — a hotel operator's cash flow is above its profit. But it does not clear two hurdles. First, Valamar spends that same cash flow on refurbishment and expansion, so free cash flow is not a multiple of profit — which is precisely why the model did not accept a DCF but comparables. Second, replacement value without a monetisation event is academic: the barrier to entry protects future margins, it does not unlock the assets. Your thesis needs a catalyst — without one, 'the market is valuing beaches' is faith, not analysis.
Where I now concede more than before: on the dividend. Your derivation and mine agree — the EUR 0.27 payout is not covered by profit reduced to statutory tax. That is no longer a dispute between us but a shared finding of the round.
Where we still differ: you read the tax incentive as a reason to discard this year's profit, I read it as genuine value tied to investments that were actually made and that is only now being consumed through future taxes. It is not operating income — but it is not nothing either.
Price against the zone: far above.
Amortizacija i dobit iz poslovanja: amortizacija 77.832 tis. €; dobit iz poslovanja 53.611 tis. € — source
Metodologija: DCF isključen iz zone (negativna vrijednost ili nekalibrirani ulazi); sidro comps + dividendni pod — source
Moderator's summary
Correction: the first version of this round debated our aggregates alone and therefore missed the reason net profit grew three times faster than pre-tax profit. Group pre-tax profit went EUR 36.99m → 45.69m (+23.5%) while net profit went EUR 32.82m → 55.09m (+67.9%), because the tax line moved from a EUR 4.17m charge to EUR 9.40m of income — through recognition of tourism investment tax incentives (EUR 17.97m credited to profit against EUR 3.07m the year before). Agreement: the P/E of 24.4 measures a year containing tax income; reduced to the statutory 18% rate, derived earnings per share are about EUR 0.24 instead of 0.36 and the derived P/E at EUR 8.56 about 35 — the gap between price and the earnings zone (EUR 4.1–4.9) is wider than the round assumed. All also agree the EUR 0.27 payout is therefore NOT covered by profit reduced to statutory tax, and is funded from cash flow (depreciation EUR 77.8m). The disagreement remains structural: Skeptic holds that comparables on earnings measure the wrong object because the value sits in irreproducible coastal assets; Value asks for a monetisation catalyst and notes the model values cash flow, not replacement cost. On the tax incentive they still differ: for Skeptic it is a reason to discard the year's profit, for Value it is genuine value tied to investments actually made. Macro warns that the EUR 17.97m is a regulatory item, not a market one — value created by policy, carrying the risk of a rule change.